My Q&A's started as an idea to interview some of the memorable people I've met in fly fishing, both online as well as offline. Rather than a true interview I decided to keep it simple by asking a few Q&A's.
This Q&A is really special. None other than the living legend
Hoagy B. Carmichael, son of the musician of the grand days of Hollywood
Hoagy Carmichael Jr., shared a few insights on his friendship with rod maker Everett Garrison, his personal rod making career and fishing in general.
Although I have had a keen interest in and fishing with bamboo only for the past 20 years or so, I wasn't aware Hoagy was an authority on bamboo rod making until I watched
Trout Grass back in 2005. Then I remembered that (big & heavy) book on building bamboo rods my friend Rolf bought back in the mid 1990's, which was of course '
A Master's guide to building a bamboo fly rod'.
So, without further due, let's get started!
1) Q: You wrote, together with Everett Garrison, the ‘A Master’s Guide To Building A Bamboo Fly Rod’ (Editor's note: commonly known as 'The Bible') back in 1977. Even though the art of making a 6 strip bamboo rod started around the turn of the 20th century, the knowledge of making a rod was still only known to a happy few until the book came out. Why did Garrison agree with sharing the knowledge with writing this book?
"Everett was not a man who felt threatened by others in the rod making game. He was friends with others in the trade, guys like Brenan, Payne and Gillum who often swapped ideas and materials. When I suggested that we consider marking his concepts and methods down for others to read, he had no reason to feel the need to hide his thoughts and even his tapers from others.
In all honesty, after the film gained an audience he was confident that I could handle the job as his steward were he to fish around the bend before the project was completed. I leave it to others to decide whether that confidence was warranted."
2) Q: You built rods (about a hundred?) yourself after the book came out. Your rods are highly regarded and demand some serious money in the used market. Did it ever come to your mind when you started making rods?
"When Mr. Garrison died I was deemed in line to carry on in some way the Garrison tradition of hand planing bamboo. I bought the tools with a sense of pride, and put my head and hands to the task of making a few rods.
Editor's note: Hoagy acquired Garrison's workshop after Garrison's passing. In 2014 Hoagy
donated the workshop to the Catskill Fly Fishing Center.
At that time in my life it was almost all I thought about. I decided to offer my first rod or three for $475 which was, not coincidentally, the last price that Mr. G. sold two 7'0" for. It never, ever crossed my mind that my rods would be valued at anything approaching their current value. I made them because I wanted to come as close to perfecting my craft as I could, knowing full well that rod makers do not become wealthy gluing bamboo strips together."
3) Q: With the internet the knowledge on bamboo making exploded. Some say the golden era of bamboo making wasn’t the period roughly 1900 – 1950 when the companies like Leonard, EF Payne and FE Thomas were making rods but now with the best glues, tools and information available. How do rods built now compare to the rods of the past?
"Rod makers today have pushed the boundaries of the craft to new and very exciting places. I have said many times that Mr. Garrison would be amazed, even thrilled, to see where the craft is today. The hollow built ised and the metal work that is being done is well beyond what Garry knew and, to some extent, what I was able to put into practice.
I love my Garrison rod, as well as my 7'6" rod made by the great Jim Payne, but today's rod tapers, and the execution of same, make much of the work that one sees on rods made in the "golden era" appear almost amateurish. We did what we could with what we knew, but the opportunity to build a "better" rod is in front of anyone interested in the craft. It is as it should be."
4) Q: Fly fishing started as a game for the lords on the British isles, became a gentlemen’s sport and eventually an everyman’s sport after The Movie. What’s your opinion about the direction fly fishing is going today with all the social media and all?
"I think that the rush to the river after "The Movie" has abated somewhat. The sport takes knowledge and practice, much like golf, and takes time and dedication that many are unwilling to submit to. I feel that our sport is in a healthy place, with the spread of techniques and knowledge that magazines and the internet have to offer.
People now realize that fish need to be returned to the rivers they came from, and such things like barbless hooks and nets made of synthetic materials that do not harm the fish are cases in point. I like where we are, and the more of us who go to the river with little interest in catching a bag full of fish the better for the sport."
5) Q: How many fly fishing destinations outside of USA have you been to and what are your fondest trip memories?
"If memory serves, I have ventured to Scotland, Ireland, England, Iceland, Norway, Canada and Germany in hopes of catching something with a fly. Some destinations were for salmon only, and over the years I have learned that although the central idea of placing a fly in the mouth of a creature with fins is the same, whether it is on a trout or salmon river, the methods are very different and could rightfully be considered different sports.
My love of the Grand Cascapedia is well known, as are several trips to Norway also in hopes of landing a salmon or two. But were I to be forced to put my finger of my favorite river experiences I would have to choose the East Branch of the Croton River - a very public trout river that runs through a small town not far from New York City, My fly was not the only imitation those fish had seen, and thus the catching part of it required a very technical approach that I, at times, was able to pull off.
Catching large fish (several salmon over thirty pounds) is exhilarating, but landing a wary 14" trout on a 7X tippet with a size 22 tricorythodes spinner is not easy. I have done it with a rod I made and a fly I have tied. That is the essence of fly fishing."
6) Q: We all know you built rods, but should we also be aware of you as a fly tier? What type of flies do (did) you like to tie?
"I have tied many flies in my day with some proficiency. I learned some from Chauncey Lively and Vince Marinaro, but most I read books and did what I could to fashion something that I felt might work. I have caught trout and salmon on flies I have tied but in truth I would grade myself as a C+ tier. As I grew into the sport I began to drift away from tying my own flies. It became too time consuming."
7) Q: Please name three bamboo rods you own(ed) you consider among the finest?
"I have had a lot of bamboo rods in my hands over the past fifty years, many of which I have admired and fished with. People who have made their own rods have a natural affinity for their own work, and they can't be blamed for admiring their craftsmanship and willingness to take example to the river. I, too, am guilty.
I have a great three-piece 7'6" rod made by the great Jim Payne, and I admire his methods and what he accomplished. I fish that rod carefully, and enjoy sitting on the bank of a nice river with that dark cane resting on my lap.
My favorite rod is a 7'9" rod made by Mr. Garrison that was a rod he fished with many times. I have caught my share of trout with it, and have loaned it to friends, but were I to have to choose only one to take to the river for my last encounter with trout - I confess that I could not make a rational choice. Heck..., I take my 8'0" Carmichael for a spin and let others be my judge."
8) Q: Final question. Where would you fish if it was the last time you would be able to fish?
"The answer is simple. The Grand Cascapedia River where a portion of my ashes will rest."
I hope this is of some help to you. I enjoyed doing it.
My best,
Hoagy"
Thank you Hoagy!
Check out the unique
video Hoagy made of Garrison working in his workshop back in 1973. The only existing video of a classic rod maker known.